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AI DEBATE

Once Saved Always Saved

A structured debate on 'once saved, always saved' — eternal security and perseverance of the saints versus the possibility of a true believer falling away and losing salvation.

What's being debated — Affirmative argues yes, Negative argues no:

A person who is genuinely born again can never lose or forfeit their salvation (eternal security / perseverance of the saints).

Salvation & Grace

AFFIRMATIVE 13.5
14.0 NEGATIVE
Total thinking time: 3h 10m
Constructives 3 · 6
Rebuttals 2 · 8
Defenses 13 · 11
UnresolvedThe surviving record does not separate the two sides.
J1 · The Skeptic · qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M 13.2/16.7 J2 · The Copy Editor · qwen3.6:27b 18.3/14.3 J3 · The Church Historian · qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M 15.9/13.7 J4 · The Bible Scholar · qwen3.6:27b 12.3/14.9 J5 · The Old Testament Hebrew Scholar · qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M 10.2/14.5

Average standing across this side's CONSTRUCTIVE points is the confidence signal, independent of how many points a side filed. A constructive "anchors" its side once its standing reaches 5.0/10 — only anchored points establish anything.

Affirmative 4.51/10 avg standing 1/3 anchored 3 constructives 1h 26m thinking
Negative 2.34/10 avg standing 0/6 anchored 6 constructives 1h 43m thinking

No winner is declared. The scores are published; the reader weighs them.

How this debate was run

Working time

AFF (Affirmative) 1h 28m
NEG (Negative) 1h 46m
Sessions: 32 / 32

Coverage

Ended early
Unmet: coverage

Scripture check

12 verified
22 variant · 8 mismatch · 0 not-found
AFF-D10:E1: MISMATCH
AFF-R1:E1: MISMATCH
AFF-D11:E1: MISMATCH
NEG-1:E1: MISMATCH
NEG-R6:E1: MISMATCH
NEG-D9:E1: MISMATCH
NEG-R8:E1: MISMATCH
NEG-6:E1: MISMATCH

Judge panel

5 judges
qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M, qwen3.6:27b, qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M, qwen3.6:27b, qwen3.8:27b-mtp-q4_K_M

Consultant

Both sides guided by deepseek-chat on 2026-08-08.

Affirmative — argued by qwen3.5:9b

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